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July 31, 2004

Please Back Away From The Edge


If you haven't already heard, the Mets made two trades tonight to strengthen their starting rotation and, in the process, weaken their farm system. The trades break down thusly:

Trade #1
Mets acquire RHP Kris Benson and IF Jeff Keppinger (AA) from the Pirates.
Pirates acquire Ty Wigginton and RHP Matt Peterson (AA) from the Mets and 3B Jose Bautista from the Royals.
Royals acquire C Justin Huber (AAA) from the Mets.

Trade #2
Mets acquire RHP Victor Zambrano and RHP Bartolome Fortunato (AAA) from the Devil Rays.
Devil Rays acquire LHP Scott Kazmir (AA) and RHP Jose(lo) Diaz (AA) from the Mets.

Where do we start? When I first heard of the trades on the Mets post-game show, my initial reaction went something like this (parental advisory suggested):
FUCK SHIT SHITTY FUCK FUCKITY FUCKING-A SHITWAD FUCKJOB FUCK SHIT FUCK!!
I would like to personally thank Gary Cohen and Howie Rose of WFAN for talking me down from the ledge. Both big Mets fans, they very calmly and rationally made sense of the chaos. The Mets are a better team today at the Major League level than they were yesterday. They now have a very solid 1-5 starting rotation, probably the best in the NL East now that Florida has traded Brad Penny to the Dodgers (who may eventually trade him to Arizona).

Many believe that the Mets have already worked out a contract extension with Benson. If the Mets didn't have some assurance that they would retain Benson past this year, there is no way they make this trade. They gave up a lot for Benson, no doubt. Matt Peterson is a fine pitcher, but his upside is probably a #2 ML starter (i.e. Kris Benson). Here's what Baseball Prospectus 2004 had to say about him:
Some sculptors say they acquire a block of stone and stare at it until the piece reveals itself. Then it's only a matter of chipping it down. Peter made some positive strides last year, and is starting to look like the good pitcher he can become. He needs to get his change and curve over for strikes consistently. He's got a future if he can swing it.
The italics are mine. Peterson is only 22, and is probably at least another season away from the bigs. He was the centerpiece of this deal, and he was deemed expendable with the impending acquisition of Cuban pitcher Alay Soler (Jim Duquette's words).

Ty Wigginton is a fan favorite, and can play a number of defensive positions adequately (i.e. not embarrass himself). He has some pop in his bat, but his role on the Mets was going to be as a bench player. A fine bench player, no doubt, but a bench player. He doesn't hit enough to be an outfielder, and the Mets have the infield pretty much locked up for a number of years. A useful player, but one that can be easily replaced if you know where to look.

Justin Huber was tough to lose, but you have to take a step back and wonder how great a prospect he really is. Sure, his .400 OBP is great, particularly for a catcher, and his .473 SLG between AA and AAA is nothing to sneeze at. However, by all accounts, his catching abilities are very suspect. Here's what Baseball America has to say:
He has enough bat to hit for average with 20-plus homers annually, but he's mechanical behind the plate and sloppy footwork detracts from his arm, which is average at best. Huber's plate discipline has taken a step forward this year, as he has hit .270/.402/.473 with 13 homers and 44 RBIs in 88 games, mostly in Double-A. He has thrown out just 14 of 72 basestealers (19 percent) in 2004.
If his catching doesn't improve, there may be a firstbaseman's glove in his future, where 20 homerun power isn't that impressive.

If the Mets didn't make this deal and then waited until the offseason to try to sign Benson, there are plenty of indications it might not have gone so well. First off is the draft pick consideration that would be forfeited to Pittsburgh. Aside from that, the Mets have recently taken a half-assed approach to free agency. Furthermore, Benson is an Atlanta-native, and this trade and possible contract extension prevents the Braves from getting their hands on him. Benson is not a #1 starter, but he was the second-best starter on Pittsburgh (behind Oliver Perez), and he certainly has #2 starter stuff. He essentially takes Matt Ginter/Scott Erickson/James Baldwin's spot in the rotation, which has to be considered a colossal upgrade.

As for trade #2, the Mets give up their #1 pitching prospect, and quite possibly the best lefty pitching prospect in all of baseball, Scott Kazmir. As the old saying goes, however, there is no such thing as a pitching prospect. Kazmir is a couple inches shy of six feet tall, and there have been numerous questions raised about his work ethic and durability. Is that all just spin to make it seem like a better deal for the Mets? Maybe.

For those of you crying into your beers about Kazmir and how he was the best Met pitching prospect since Dwight Gooden, get real. Kazmir overpowered single-A hitters, and has been successful thus far in AA, but he is not considered anywhere near the prospect that Paul Wilson was just a handful of years ago. He was the #1 pick in the draft, Kazmir was #15 (though he likely could have gone higher were it not for his perceived bonus demands). Wilson was a can't miss prospect, and he certainly did miss. He had arm problems, and has been inconsistent since at the Major League level.

There is no guarantee with minor league players, and the Mets were apparently content trading "might-be's" for "probably already-are's". Kris Benson and Victor Zambrano are no Kerry Wood and Carlos Zambrano, but they represent two very important things:

1) An immediately huge upgrade to the back end of the rotation
2) Two talented starting pitchers that the Mets can control for several years beyond this one (assuming they get Benson under contract)

Neither of these players help the Mets anemic offense, atrocious bullpen, or porous defense. They help the Mets for the remainder of this season and for seasons to come. Maybe Scott Kazmir will be a #1 starter somewhere in 2006, or a Billy Wagner-like closer (though Tampa GM Chuck LaMar says that Kazmir will be brought up when rosters expand on September 1st). Maybe he'll hurt his arm and never make it to the bigs. Who knows. That's the fun of following prospects, but also the biggest problem.

Benson starts Saturday night in Atlanta against the Braves. As Benson and Zambrano join the roster, Dan Wheeler gets sent down to AAA, Jae Seo and Matt Ginter join the bullpen, and Gerald "Ice" Williams has been recalled to take Wigginton's spot on the bench.

Feel free to bitch away in the comments. You may not be thrilled with Kris Benson now, but keep in mind that she comes along for the ride.


Comments

What measurement are using to determine that the Mets have a "porous defense?" According to the Defense Efficiency Rate at Baseball Prospectus, the Mets are ranked 11th in the Majors. Not great but not exactly "porous." See:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/def_eff2004.html?PHPSESSID=005b437ec6dfa1615a4ff38f12a167c7

Posted by: Andy - July 31, 2004 at 09:24 AM EST

The infield can be porous, particularly the shortstop, and the error rate is high. These aren't good. But I agree that the fielding isn't as bad as it's made out to be. The outfield, in particular, is very good.

Which to me is a key point. Zambrano and Benson are flyball pitchers (Zambrano was an extreme flyball pitcher last year) and Shea is a very good park for flyball pitchers (see Fernandez, Sid). With Cameron in center, it will be that much better for them.

I also assume that Rick Peterson saw something he can fix with these two guys, particularly Zambrano. That's why I'd think of this as "situational" trade. The Mets gave up a lot of prospects, but they got two guys who fit their situation well, and who could thrive at Shea.

Posted by: studes - July 31, 2004 at 10:32 AM EST

Nice try. As for Benson, there's NO WAY the Braves have money in their budget for him. And even if they did find it, if Benson IS so hot to go home, he just won't sign an extention with us, and we're hosed. He says he really, really wants to come to New York. Great. If we take him at his word, he would have come as a FA. I'd give up draft picks rather than Huber and Peterson any day of the week. And if he's just blowing smoke, then we might lose him after two months anyway, and we're hosed.

And besides. Kris Benson has had a worse-than-league-average ERA every year since his injury. Despite a nice run recently, he STILL has an ERA over 4.00. If that's a # 2 ML starter, I'm Mamie Eisenhower.

And the other deal? Scott Kazmir is a better pitcher than Zambrano NOW. Today. Zambrano averages putting almost a runner on base per inning -- even without counting hits!!! Just walks and HBPs. Unreal. And he's 29 years old (or will be Aug. 6). If we were going to do anything with Kazmir besides leave him where he was, we should have brought him up to be Looper's power set-up guy. You want to talk upgrade? He'd be a MASSIVE upgrade over Stanton.

Of course Kazmir might have gotten hurt. But Zambrano has arm troubles right now! Who is a greater risk for injury?

Like I said, nice try. But even a nice try can't defend the indefensible. Worst of all, it suggests they are completely deluded into thinking they should sacrifice even one iota of the future on a wing & a prayer of winning this year. It's insane.

Posted by: Sam M - July 31, 2004 at 10:36 AM EST

Good points on the defense. My only excuse is the lateness of the post, but I should have known better. The Mets outfield, Cameron and Hidalgo in particular, have been excellent and very good, respectively.

Thanks, Sam, terrific response. I gave it a shot, figuring everyone else would be bitching and moaning, and that maybe some people would want to read something positive about the deals.

I don't think Benson had his heart set on Atlanta, just that when the Braves were in the trade picture, there was talk that he would be willing to sign an extension with them or the Mets. He definitely sounds excited to be coming to New York, and since the trades can't be undone, it's something to be "bright side" about. The Braves come out from under John Smoltz and Russ Ortiz after this season, so they could certainly afford Kris Benson if they wanted to.

The Benson deal is still more defensible than the Zambrano deal, if only because Kazmir seemed to untouchable just a few months ago. They Mets flat out refused to include him in a deal for Soriano (not that I blame them), but there's no telling who they could have gotten in exchange for him, as no doubt 29 other GMs would love to have Kazmir in their system. The talk is that Professor Rick has already spotted a correctable flaw in Zambrano's mechanics, so we'll have to wait to see on that one. Peterson must think Zambrano could be better than Barry Zito, as I would imagine were Zito truly available that a similar package could have brought him to Shea.

I question the assertion that Kazmir is a better pitcher than Zambrano right now. You surely can't compare A and AA hitters with the American League. Kazmir has shown decent control and terrific strikeout rates, but how many A-AA pitchers can say that? No doubt Zambrano has terrible control, but his K rates are good and he has a history of not being very hittable (430 hits in 481.2 innings).

Much of these deals smack of Peterson's influence. We have put a lot of faith in his abilities all year, so we'll see what kind of miracle work he can come up with this time.

Posted by: Eric Simon - July 31, 2004 at 12:05 PM EST

I agree with your last remark, Eric. All those who oppose the trades, are all huge fans of Peterson, and the trades were obviously backed by him, and probably done largley on his recommendation. You cant treat him like a guru, and not give him the credit that he knows why he wanted Zambrano over Kazmir, which is the trade that is eating everyone up. Lets wait and see. There will be enough time to bitch later, if everything goes wrong.

Posted by: aeie - July 31, 2004 at 05:07 PM EST

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