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July 31, 2004

The Fallout


Here's what others are saying about the Mets recent bombshell:

Matt from Gogs:
I'd like to make it clear again: I have no problem with what the Mets got. I love the fact that these two will be locked up and will be pitching for this team for years to come. They both have solid arms at this point and a few obvious factors will definitely increase their rate of success.

But of course, it's the price the Mets pay.

In ten years it will be, where were you on the day the Mets traded the future?

Well, I'll start. I was on I95, on my way back from Washington D.C. when Ed Coleman got on the air. I'll never forget it.
Avkash from The Raindrops:
After making that last post I looked at today's traffic and realized there are a lot of people stopping by today. Either you're a Mets fan who needs to go somewhere where your pain is understood, or you're a baseball fan equivalent of a rubbernecker, stopping by to stare at the carnage. Either way, I'm sorry for taking the easy way out and not offering commentary, but I, along with like thinking fans, realized yesterday that nothing has changed for our beloved Mets; we were taken for a ride and promptly sold down the river.

Today, I -- or rather -- we, are powerless, which is a state of being everyone is introduced to or even accustomed to at some point in their lives, be it with their governments, a loved one, theirs Gods, or even themselves. Yesterday, and today, and tomorrow, we'll continue to feel powerless.
Vinny from YMTR:
I actually feel betrayed right now. We were all led to believe that Jim Duquette was the anti-Phillips, but that's clearly not the case. If I were given to conspiracy theories, I would probably say that Duquette is trying to sabotage the Mets organization from the inside.

I can't think of a single good thing to say about either of these deals, and I really don't know what else to say on the matter.

Shame on you, Duke.
Kaley from Flushing Local:
Kris Benson and Victor Zambrano are the newest additions to Metsland and if the instantaneous reaction of internet-based observers is any guide, they may be sorry they came. In exchange for these two highly regarded righties at or entering their prime years, the Mets gave up scrappy jack-of-all-trades Ty Wigginton and most of the starting rotation of AA Binghamton - Matt Peterson, Scott Kazmir and Jose(lo) Diaz. Oh, and the kicker is they also dealt Aussie backstop Justin Huber off of AAA Norfolk just before he was about to represent his country in the Athens Olympics. That's a lot of unfulfilled potential being sent away.
Jason from Always Amazin':
Simply put, the Mets got hosed. And even worse, they got hosed when their shot of making the postseason is virtually nil, falling seven games back with a loss to Atlanta last night. They had no reason to make these trades at this time and they gave up Scott Kazmir, someone who has more potential than almost any pitching prospect in baseball, someone who could have become a bona fide #1 ace or a lights-out, wham-bam, thank-ya-ma'am closer.

Maybe this will end up being a great series of trades. Maybe the Mets will end up smelling like roses if Kazmir, Matt Peterson, and Justin Huber all flame out in the majors. But the bottom line is that this is one of the riskiest gambles the Mets have ever made and the Devil Rays have to be feeling pretty good right now.

Kris Benson, Victor Zambrano, welcome to New York. You're the future of this organization now, let's hope you succeed. No pressure.
Jeremy from Jeremy Heit's Blog:
We were betrayed. We actually believed management had changed, that it knew what it was doing. The "only make trades if they benefit now and the future without giving up the future" mantra that was bandied about after Phillips got fired... Lie. Big fat stinking lie. It's like watching a trainwreck. You know its coming, yet you watch, hoping that it doesn't happen, that the bad stays away, that it is averted by some miracle. But it never does and they never learn. Never.
Norm from The Shea Hot Corner:
I'm way too incensed to form a coherent thought about what just happened tonight. Nice fucking "plan" Duquette you little worm. My gut reaction is that the Wilpon's desire for "meaningful" games in September (read, ticket sales) just trumped the long term success of this team. Maybe I was being naive, but I bought into this new direction the team was going - getting younger with an emphasis on replenishing the farm system in order to pour a foundation for a solid future. Yeah, I bought into it hook, line an sinker. What a dope I am.
Mike from East Coast Agony:
Right now I think the Mets got fleeced. However, if Benson is signed for three years at reasonable money (not the 3/27 that has been bandied about), and the Wilpons give Duquette the go-ahead to make some big moves in the offseason, and if some of our prospects don't pan out, well, I'll still be pretty upset.

Bottom line is that all this talk in the blogosphere about betrayal may be melodramatic, but it's also one hundred percent correct. This doesn't doom the team for sure, but it kills my faith in the front office. And I did have faith in them. It could certainly be worse -- Duquette could be Bavasi -- but I'm left with the glum question of how I can enjoy the rest of the season's games. I was looking at them as a harmless step to something better, but now they just got a lot more meaningful. I guess Wilpon got his wish, after all.

Comments

We are an inspiring group, aren't we?

Posted by: Jeremy Heit - July 31, 2004 at 02:24 PM EST

Ah, Eric, you caught me while I was weeping over Ty. I've since put up slightly more rational thoughts.

And yeah, Jeremy...it's probably a good thing that the Metsblog Confidence meter doesn't allow negative numbers.

Posted by: ECA Mike - July 31, 2004 at 04:18 PM EST

Ah, I love all of you guys.

We'll get through this together.

Posted by: Matt - July 31, 2004 at 04:19 PM EST

Mike, I've updated your quote to something less blubbery. I also moved it to the bottom as it sums up everyone's sentiments nicely.

Posted by: Eric Simon - July 31, 2004 at 04:54 PM EST

That idiot is on my radio right now. Just because Wright and Reyes look untouchable, note that there will be ups and downs between now and when these guys reach their primes. Watch out for the trade for the "proven veteran" when one of the down periods comes.

Posted by: Tom D. - July 31, 2004 at 06:18 PM EST

The reason that idiot gave for trading Kazmir was essentially that he is a couple of years away. THE FUTURE IS NOW. By that reasoning, every minor leaguer is trade bait.

Posted by: Tom D. - July 31, 2004 at 06:23 PM EST

I'm severely disappointed in this franchise and completely ticked off at Wilpon. And there's only three reasons I'm still a Met fan right now: Wright, Reyes and 20 years of being a fan.

It's not Kazmir. It's not Peterson, it's not Huber. It's not Diaz. It's barely even dealing all three for something that barely helps us.

It's a sign that we didn't learn from the mistakes from the past and will continue to NOT commit to building a deep organization.
It's a sign that no matter how much we SAY we're committed to rebuilding, Fred and Jeff Wilpon can't go more than a year without meddling into the GM's business and f*cking it all up.

It's a sign that we will NEVER BE CONSISTENTLY GOOD BECAUSE OUR OWNER LOVES QUICK BUCKS TOO MUCH TO BUILD A SOLID FOUNDATION FOR THE FUTURE.

honestly, my relationship with the Mets is basically like being in love with a slut who's just leading me on while sleeping with other guys. We could genuinely be happy for a long time but just can't stop thinking about short-term flings with short-term solutions. I should just get her/them the hell out of my life, but I keep coming back like a sucker. David Wright and Jose Reyes are my best friends in this analogy, if they are gone before 2009 (aside from injuries), then I'm done with the Mets until the Wilpons are gone.

Posted by: JP - August 1, 2004 at 02:52 AM EST

The bottom line for me is even if the Mets deep down thought Kazmir and Peterson were flawed and over-rated and would blow out their arms, they should have gotten alot more for them based on the level of prospect they are.

Posted by: Syd - August 2, 2004 at 10:59 AM EST

That, I think, is probably the second-biggest complaint about the trades (the deception by the front office of building from within, Kazmir untouchable, etc. being the biggest complaint). The Red Sox got Curt Schilling for Casey Fossum, a lesser pitching prospect than Scott Kazmir, so we're taking a mighty large leap of faith that Rick Peterson can turn a pitcher with a world of talent but average results into a staff ace.

Posted by: Eric Simon - August 2, 2004 at 11:45 AM EST

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