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November 22, 2004

Who Catches If Piazza Leaves?


Speculation is running rampant that Mike Piazza may not be the opening day catcher for the Mets in 2005, with rumors having him headed to Anaheim, Los Angeles, or anyplace else sportswriters think would look nice under their byline. If Piazza goes, who does the majority of the catching for the Mets next season? Unless the Mets get someone back in a trade (Jason Kendall) or do something silly like sign Jason Varitek as a free agent, it will be either Jason Phillips or Vance Wilson.

Ed Tsunoda of NYFS and his new blog The Eds-Op Page thinks that it should be Wilson. I'm not so sure.

Vance Wilson is a nice catcher. He has historically been a terrific throwing catcher, nabbing 49% and 45% in 2002 and 2003, respectively. He tailed off a bit last year, catching only 34% of would-be base-stealers in 2004. He also had his best offensive season by far last year, with a very respectable (for a catcher) .274/.335/.427 line. His previous best season was 2002 when he hit .245/.301/.380, which was pretty shabby, but still better than any season Mike Matheny has ever put up, OPS-wise. He also throws better than Matheny. Unforunately, there are no good metrics for "blocking the plate" or "calling a good game", which I'm told Matheny is very good at.

If you told me Vance Wilson would hit for a .762 OPS while nailing 40% of base-stealers, I would pay him a million bucks and stick him in the 8-hole. I'm fairly sure we can't expect so much of him, though. He has never had more than 268 at-bats in a season, and I wonder whether he could catch 130 games and not wear down entirely. We saw it a bit in 2003 when Piazza was out for much of the year with that groin injury. After hitting .283/.333/.433 in the first half, Wilson hit an incomprehensible .148/.198/.235 after the All-Star break. Go back and read that line again. We're only talking about 81 at-bats, but that is still a miserable stretch.

Jason Phillips, while not as accomplished a defensive catcher as Wilson, has been a much more prolific offensive player, his dreadful 2004 season notwithstanding. Many people lost patience with Phillips this year, and you can count me among them. But he was terrific in 2003, hitting .298/.373/.442, and was a very successful hitter in the minor leagues.

JASON PHILLIPS MINOR LEAGUE BATTING

              AB  BB   SO   AVG   OBP   SLG
2000 A/AA    395  30   28  .304  .353  .413
2001 AA/AAA  383  38   33  .295  .359  .457
2002 AAA     323  24   29  .282  .327  .477
2003 AAA      78  11    9  .346  .435  .564

Phillips has shown a good eye at the plate in the past, drawing a walk approximately every 10 at-bats. I am confident that Phillips can regain his swing. Jeromy Burnitz' 2003 season was eerily similar to Phillips' 2004, at least in terms of their visible approach at the plate. Burnitz hit .215/.311/.365 in 2002 and hit .274/.344/.581 (for the Mets) in 2003. This proves nothing, of course, as to what Phillips can be expected to do next year.

Based on their batting history, this job should be Phillips' to lose next year, in the event that Mike Piazza is not with the team. Personally, I think the Mets would probably be better off with Piazza catching for them next year. If that doesn't happen, Phillips' superior offensive production is preferable to Wilson's throwing prowess, and Wilson will likely be relegated to backup duty once again.


Comments

I dont think its right to compare a proven hitter like burnitz who had a bad year to jason phillips who had a horrendous year while he was 27 (the age that is supposed to be the pinnacle of a players career). The mets are better served picking up a benjie molina type good defensive catcher than stinking sorry... sticking with J.Phil

Posted by: Vinny - November 22, 2004 at 08:23 PM EST

Vance might throw better than Piazza, but if you pay close attention to him during a game, you'll notice that he drops an awful lot of pitches (so does Phillips, by the way). More than Piazza ever does. Piazza has a lower CERA than a lot of other catchers out there. If the runner steals a base but doesn't score, who gives a damn if he stole the base?

Posted by: Annie - November 23, 2004 at 06:28 AM EST

Finally, someone who actually did their research on Jason Phillips. Good to see. I get upset when fans cast him aside as useless despite the fact that he's been a VERY good hitting catcher in 4 of his last 5 seasons at any level.

Posted by: Old Backstop - November 23, 2004 at 08:19 AM EST

I think Philips is a better overall catcher than Vance. His CERA last year was much better, and it was noted in media reports that Mets brass prefer Jason's game calling. Wilson has shown a problem simply catching the ball and making plays at the plate, as evidenced by the swing through the AL Central last season. Anyone remember when he tagged the runner with one hand while the ball was in the other? And then he insists afterward that he didn't though replays show he clearly did. Wilson also has more passed balls than the other Mets' catchers. I would give the majority of the catching duties to Jason if Piazza is traded.

Posted by: Chris - November 23, 2004 at 08:54 AM EST

And you just know that if Billy Beane is interested in Philips there's something we're missing out on here.

Yes, I have a man crush on Billy Beane like Omar on Sosa.

Posted by: Mike - November 23, 2004 at 12:31 PM EST

My stance would be that the "best" case scenario would be Piazza moves on for something of value age 32 or under, the Metsies grab Jason Kendall, and Phillips is part of a trade to a small market team for an upgrade somewhere (example, Zito). Or for that matter, part of a Kendall trade. While I am not down on Jason, I do not think he deserves a starting role on a large market team like the Mets. Kendall starting and Wilson backing up is a very nice catching situation.

Posted by: m2c2c2 - November 23, 2004 at 12:51 PM EST

Another thought on this. I haven't heard anything on this, but it is possible that the league has exposed a hole in Phillip's swing? While he had a lot of hard outs, he also had a ton of weak groudballs. Maybe 2004 was more indicative of the future than an abberation.

Posted by: m2c2c2 - November 23, 2004 at 01:20 PM EST

Phillips had a great May and then slumped badly in June. He played infrequently in July and August, and didn't regain his stroke.

His September leaves room for considerable optimism. He hit .313 when he started playing regularly again.

Posted by: Katman - November 24, 2004 at 06:46 PM EST

Any thoughts on adding the recently released Pierzynski?

Posted by: Will - December 15, 2004 at 02:59 PM EST

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