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January 26, 2005

Minky and the Blade


According to The Post, the Mets have acquired Doug Mientkiewicz from the Boston Red Sox for promising A-ball first-baseman Ian Bladergroen. The Blade hit .342/.397/.595 in the Sally League before injuring his left wrist. He was the Mets #4 prospect according to Baseball America:
Background: Bladergroen passed up a scholarship from Nebraska to sign with the Mets as a draft-and-follow prior to the 2003 draft. A two-time junior college all-American, he led national juco players with 32 homers in 2003. He had a breakout first full season in 2004, but it ended early when he tore a ligament in his left wrist in July.

Strengths: Bladergroen has plus power, and because his swing keeps the bat in the zone for a long time, he also can hit for average. He uses the whole field and works counts well. One of the best defensive first basemen in the system, he's agile and has a big wingspan to nab high throws.

Weaknesses: Though Bladergoren has produced for average and power, his bat speed is not exceptional and could cause him problems at higher levels. His wrist injury is also a question mark, as he couldn't swing the bat during instructional league.

The Future: The Mets are anxiously awaiting Bladergroen's recovery. If he's fully healthy when spring training begins, he could hit his way to high Class A. Wrist injuries often take a while to heal, so he could need time to regain his power stroke.
I feel like the Mets gave up a lot, but Mientkiewicz is an outstanding fielder and a decent hitter with good plate discipline, and it's not like the Mets traded Lastings Milledge or Yusmeiro Petit. Still, though, I can't help but think that the Mets could have gotten it done for less.


August 25, 2004

On Kazmir And Zambrano


I open the daily rags this morning to see the Mets bashed, as usual, this time for Scott Kazmir's performance against the Mariners on Monday night. Coupled with Victor Zambrano's stay on the disabled list, everyone is calling for heads to roll for whomever in the Mets organization green-lighted this move. I've already written at length about the moves here and you can read what other Mets bloggers thought of the deal here, so I'm not going to debate the merits of this deal again.

Whether or not you believe the Mets got fleeced by Tampa GM Chuck LaMar should not change based on the events of the past week. Zambrano is on the shelf, possibly for the rest of the season, but that doesn't necessarily make this deal a bust. Regardless of what the Mets thought process was in making this deal, they clearly didn't make it with the sole intention of completing in 2004. Zambrano is arbitration eligible for the next three seasons, and that was a big factor in this trade.

Scott Kazmir threw five nice innings on Monday. He hit 95 on his fastball, but struggled with erratic control. All said, it was about as much as you could expect from a 20-year-old making his big league debut. The success or failure of this trade did not hang in the balance of those five innings, regardless of what Bob Klapisch might have you believe. If Kazmir got lit up for seven runs in three innings, would that have proven the Mets geniuses? Surely not.

Nor can Kazmir's debut be considered a resounding success. He showed flashes, and was understandably jittery considering the magnitude of the situation. Kazmir allowed seven baserunners (four hits, three walks) and struck out four in his five innings. He also faced an awful Mariner team (in an extreme pitcher's park) that featured only a single hitter with an 800+ OPS (Ichiro's .869). By comparison, the Mets oft-maligned lineup, even accounting for players on the DL, could feature as many as seven players with an 800+ OPS, albeit some in a part-time role: Gerald Williams (1.004), Richard Hidalgo (.903), Cliff Floyd (.843), David Wright (.841), Eric Valent (.829), Mike Cameron (.827), and Vance Wilson (.810).

Had Kazmir pitched horribly, I wouldn't have felt an iota better about this deal. I still consider him one of our own, even though he's not pitching for us. It bothers me that no one has stepped forward in the Mets camp to say, "I decided to make this deal". In all likelihood, though, enough people simply didn't oppose the deal, which was apparently sufficient greasing to get this trade done. Based on interviews given, nobody thought this was a bad deal, which apparently translated to "it's a good deal" when all was said and done. Boss Wilpon put his stamp of approval on it, and it was out the door. Sigh.


August 02, 2004

Good Grief


Studes at The Hardball Times, a long time suffering Met fan, has penned a terrific article relating the Five Stages of Grief to his experiences after this weekend's reverse-fire sale. Check out the article here, it's a must read.
The sad thing is, acceptance will come. My Metmania is beyond my control, built into my psyche. Eventually, I will have to accept this loss, just as I have accepted others. I have learned to deal with losses and mistakes, only to watch my team make more mistakes meant to correct the earlier mistakes. It seems that this is the essence of being a Mets' fan. Yes, sooner or later I will accept this mistake, too, and I will move on.

Or, maybe it just didn't happen...
In other news, the Mets stink.


July 31, 2004

Erickson Shipped To Texas


ESPN News is reporting that the Mets have traded recently-DFA'd righthander Scott Erickson to the Texas Rangers. There's no mention of who is coming back to the Mets, but I have my fingers crossed for Hank Blalock. Stay tuned.

In non-Mets news, the Yankees have apparently acquired Esteban Loaiza from the White Sox in exchange for Jose Contreras and cash. This sounds like a huge win for the Yankees, as Loaiza is the Sox best pitcher(though not nearly as good as he was last year) and Contreras is a bum.

The Red Sox have also reportedly sent Nomar Garciaparra to the Cubs in a four-team trade. I'm not sure of the specifics, but I've heard that the Expos are involved, and some names being mentioned are Orlando Cabrera, Matt Clement, and Alex Gonzalez.

UPDATE: The Red Sox get Orlando Cabrera from the Expos and Doug Mientkiewicz from the Twins. The Cubs don't give up Clement or anyone else from their starting rotation. More as it develops.

UPDATE: The trade breaks down like this:

Red Sox get Orlando Cabrera from the Expos.
Red Sox get Doug Mientkiewicz from the Twins.
Cubs get Nomar Garciaparra from the Red Sox.
Expos get Alex Gonzalez from the Cubs.
Expos get P Francis Beltran from the Cubs.
Expos get IF Brendan Harris from the Cubs.
Twins get P Justin Jones from the Cubs.

In a separate trade, the Red Sox acquired OF Dave Roberts from the Dodgers for a minor leaguer.

UPDATE: Vinny from Yankees, Mets, and the Rest points out that the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that the Mets received a PTBNL from Texas for Scott Erickson.


The Fallout


Here's what others are saying about the Mets recent bombshell:

Matt from Gogs:
I'd like to make it clear again: I have no problem with what the Mets got. I love the fact that these two will be locked up and will be pitching for this team for years to come. They both have solid arms at this point and a few obvious factors will definitely increase their rate of success.

But of course, it's the price the Mets pay.

In ten years it will be, where were you on the day the Mets traded the future?

Well, I'll start. I was on I95, on my way back from Washington D.C. when Ed Coleman got on the air. I'll never forget it.
Avkash from The Raindrops:
After making that last post I looked at today's traffic and realized there are a lot of people stopping by today. Either you're a Mets fan who needs to go somewhere where your pain is understood, or you're a baseball fan equivalent of a rubbernecker, stopping by to stare at the carnage. Either way, I'm sorry for taking the easy way out and not offering commentary, but I, along with like thinking fans, realized yesterday that nothing has changed for our beloved Mets; we were taken for a ride and promptly sold down the river.

Today, I -- or rather -- we, are powerless, which is a state of being everyone is introduced to or even accustomed to at some point in their lives, be it with their governments, a loved one, theirs Gods, or even themselves. Yesterday, and today, and tomorrow, we'll continue to feel powerless.
Vinny from YMTR:
I actually feel betrayed right now. We were all led to believe that Jim Duquette was the anti-Phillips, but that's clearly not the case. If I were given to conspiracy theories, I would probably say that Duquette is trying to sabotage the Mets organization from the inside.

I can't think of a single good thing to say about either of these deals, and I really don't know what else to say on the matter.

Shame on you, Duke.
Kaley from Flushing Local:
Kris Benson and Victor Zambrano are the newest additions to Metsland and if the instantaneous reaction of internet-based observers is any guide, they may be sorry they came. In exchange for these two highly regarded righties at or entering their prime years, the Mets gave up scrappy jack-of-all-trades Ty Wigginton and most of the starting rotation of AA Binghamton - Matt Peterson, Scott Kazmir and Jose(lo) Diaz. Oh, and the kicker is they also dealt Aussie backstop Justin Huber off of AAA Norfolk just before he was about to represent his country in the Athens Olympics. That's a lot of unfulfilled potential being sent away.
Jason from Always Amazin':
Simply put, the Mets got hosed. And even worse, they got hosed when their shot of making the postseason is virtually nil, falling seven games back with a loss to Atlanta last night. They had no reason to make these trades at this time and they gave up Scott Kazmir, someone who has more potential than almost any pitching prospect in baseball, someone who could have become a bona fide #1 ace or a lights-out, wham-bam, thank-ya-ma'am closer.

Maybe this will end up being a great series of trades. Maybe the Mets will end up smelling like roses if Kazmir, Matt Peterson, and Justin Huber all flame out in the majors. But the bottom line is that this is one of the riskiest gambles the Mets have ever made and the Devil Rays have to be feeling pretty good right now.

Kris Benson, Victor Zambrano, welcome to New York. You're the future of this organization now, let's hope you succeed. No pressure.
Jeremy from Jeremy Heit's Blog:
We were betrayed. We actually believed management had changed, that it knew what it was doing. The "only make trades if they benefit now and the future without giving up the future" mantra that was bandied about after Phillips got fired... Lie. Big fat stinking lie. It's like watching a trainwreck. You know its coming, yet you watch, hoping that it doesn't happen, that the bad stays away, that it is averted by some miracle. But it never does and they never learn. Never.
Norm from The Shea Hot Corner:
I'm way too incensed to form a coherent thought about what just happened tonight. Nice fucking "plan" Duquette you little worm. My gut reaction is that the Wilpon's desire for "meaningful" games in September (read, ticket sales) just trumped the long term success of this team. Maybe I was being naive, but I bought into this new direction the team was going - getting younger with an emphasis on replenishing the farm system in order to pour a foundation for a solid future. Yeah, I bought into it hook, line an sinker. What a dope I am.
Mike from East Coast Agony:
Right now I think the Mets got fleeced. However, if Benson is signed for three years at reasonable money (not the 3/27 that has been bandied about), and the Wilpons give Duquette the go-ahead to make some big moves in the offseason, and if some of our prospects don't pan out, well, I'll still be pretty upset.

Bottom line is that all this talk in the blogosphere about betrayal may be melodramatic, but it's also one hundred percent correct. This doesn't doom the team for sure, but it kills my faith in the front office. And I did have faith in them. It could certainly be worse -- Duquette could be Bavasi -- but I'm left with the glum question of how I can enjoy the rest of the season's games. I was looking at them as a harmless step to something better, but now they just got a lot more meaningful. I guess Wilpon got his wish, after all.

Please Back Away From The Edge


If you haven't already heard, the Mets made two trades tonight to strengthen their starting rotation and, in the process, weaken their farm system. The trades break down thusly:

Trade #1
Mets acquire RHP Kris Benson and IF Jeff Keppinger (AA) from the Pirates.
Pirates acquire Ty Wigginton and RHP Matt Peterson (AA) from the Mets and 3B Jose Bautista from the Royals.
Royals acquire C Justin Huber (AAA) from the Mets.

Trade #2
Mets acquire RHP Victor Zambrano and RHP Bartolome Fortunato (AAA) from the Devil Rays.
Devil Rays acquire LHP Scott Kazmir (AA) and RHP Jose(lo) Diaz (AA) from the Mets.

Where do we start? When I first heard of the trades on the Mets post-game show, my initial reaction went something like this (parental advisory suggested):
FUCK SHIT SHITTY FUCK FUCKITY FUCKING-A SHITWAD FUCKJOB FUCK SHIT FUCK!!
I would like to personally thank Gary Cohen and Howie Rose of WFAN for talking me down from the ledge. Both big Mets fans, they very calmly and rationally made sense of the chaos. The Mets are a better team today at the Major League level than they were yesterday. They now have a very solid 1-5 starting rotation, probably the best in the NL East now that Florida has traded Brad Penny to the Dodgers (who may eventually trade him to Arizona).

Many believe that the Mets have already worked out a contract extension with Benson. If the Mets didn't have some assurance that they would retain Benson past this year, there is no way they make this trade. They gave up a lot for Benson, no doubt. Matt Peterson is a fine pitcher, but his upside is probably a #2 ML starter (i.e. Kris Benson). Here's what Baseball Prospectus 2004 had to say about him:
Some sculptors say they acquire a block of stone and stare at it until the piece reveals itself. Then it's only a matter of chipping it down. Peter made some positive strides last year, and is starting to look like the good pitcher he can become. He needs to get his change and curve over for strikes consistently. He's got a future if he can swing it.
The italics are mine. Peterson is only 22, and is probably at least another season away from the bigs. He was the centerpiece of this deal, and he was deemed expendable with the impending acquisition of Cuban pitcher Alay Soler (Jim Duquette's words).

Ty Wigginton is a fan favorite, and can play a number of defensive positions adequately (i.e. not embarrass himself). He has some pop in his bat, but his role on the Mets was going to be as a bench player. A fine bench player, no doubt, but a bench player. He doesn't hit enough to be an outfielder, and the Mets have the infield pretty much locked up for a number of years. A useful player, but one that can be easily replaced if you know where to look.

Justin Huber was tough to lose, but you have to take a step back and wonder how great a prospect he really is. Sure, his .400 OBP is great, particularly for a catcher, and his .473 SLG between AA and AAA is nothing to sneeze at. However, by all accounts, his catching abilities are very suspect. Here's what Baseball America has to say:
He has enough bat to hit for average with 20-plus homers annually, but he's mechanical behind the plate and sloppy footwork detracts from his arm, which is average at best. Huber's plate discipline has taken a step forward this year, as he has hit .270/.402/.473 with 13 homers and 44 RBIs in 88 games, mostly in Double-A. He has thrown out just 14 of 72 basestealers (19 percent) in 2004.
If his catching doesn't improve, there may be a firstbaseman's glove in his future, where 20 homerun power isn't that impressive.

If the Mets didn't make this deal and then waited until the offseason to try to sign Benson, there are plenty of indications it might not have gone so well. First off is the draft pick consideration that would be forfeited to Pittsburgh. Aside from that, the Mets have recently taken a half-assed approach to free agency. Furthermore, Benson is an Atlanta-native, and this trade and possible contract extension prevents the Braves from getting their hands on him. Benson is not a #1 starter, but he was the second-best starter on Pittsburgh (behind Oliver Perez), and he certainly has #2 starter stuff. He essentially takes Matt Ginter/Scott Erickson/James Baldwin's spot in the rotation, which has to be considered a colossal upgrade.

As for trade #2, the Mets give up their #1 pitching prospect, and quite possibly the best lefty pitching prospect in all of baseball, Scott Kazmir. As the old saying goes, however, there is no such thing as a pitching prospect. Kazmir is a couple inches shy of six feet tall, and there have been numerous questions raised about his work ethic and durability. Is that all just spin to make it seem like a better deal for the Mets? Maybe.

For those of you crying into your beers about Kazmir and how he was the best Met pitching prospect since Dwight Gooden, get real. Kazmir overpowered single-A hitters, and has been successful thus far in AA, but he is not considered anywhere near the prospect that Paul Wilson was just a handful of years ago. He was the #1 pick in the draft, Kazmir was #15 (though he likely could have gone higher were it not for his perceived bonus demands). Wilson was a can't miss prospect, and he certainly did miss. He had arm problems, and has been inconsistent since at the Major League level.

There is no guarantee with minor league players, and the Mets were apparently content trading "might-be's" for "probably already-are's". Kris Benson and Victor Zambrano are no Kerry Wood and Carlos Zambrano, but they represent two very important things:

1) An immediately huge upgrade to the back end of the rotation
2) Two talented starting pitchers that the Mets can control for several years beyond this one (assuming they get Benson under contract)

Neither of these players help the Mets anemic offense, atrocious bullpen, or porous defense. They help the Mets for the remainder of this season and for seasons to come. Maybe Scott Kazmir will be a #1 starter somewhere in 2006, or a Billy Wagner-like closer (though Tampa GM Chuck LaMar says that Kazmir will be brought up when rosters expand on September 1st). Maybe he'll hurt his arm and never make it to the bigs. Who knows. That's the fun of following prospects, but also the biggest problem.

Benson starts Saturday night in Atlanta against the Braves. As Benson and Zambrano join the roster, Dan Wheeler gets sent down to AAA, Jae Seo and Matt Ginter join the bullpen, and Gerald "Ice" Williams has been recalled to take Wigginton's spot on the bench.

Feel free to bitch away in the comments. You may not be thrilled with Kris Benson now, but keep in mind that she comes along for the ride.


April 03, 2004

Roger: Over And Out


After two miserable seasons in New York, Roger Cedeno has finally been set free from his purgatorial stay in the Big Apple. His savior? The St. Louis Cardinals have extended their divine hand to pull Cedeno from the bowels of baseball hell.

In exchange for Cedeno and cash to cover the majority of his contract, the Mets fill their void at fourth-string catcher by acquiring Chris Widger and AAA utilityman Wilson Delgado, who is best know for sharing the surname of Toronto hitting machine Carlos Delgado.

Many positives can be found in this move. The Mets clear a spot on the Major League roster for, presumably, a bullpen arm. They also clear a spot on the 40-man roster, and Roger Cedeno can finally bring his family to a baseball game.


January 27, 2004

The Jaime Cerda Backlash


The ink had hardly dried on the Jaime Cerda/Shawn Sedlacek deal before the Mets community at large was in an uproar. "How could you trade our beloved Jaime Cerda?" they cried. "Jaime was the cornerstone" and "He was a left-handed Eric Gagne", were some other remarks that I made up. As in many cases, there is a bit more to this deal than meets the eye. MetsBlog added:
Why Cerda? Of the 40 players on the Mets roster, Cerda is out of minor league options, he refused to play Winter Ball as the Mets requested of him, he had a disappointing season following a strong rookie year and the team already has plenty of young, bullpen arms in their farm system. MetsBlog likes Cerda. He showed the strong mental strength that is needed to pitch in relief, and his tools suggest he will be a good pitcher in the years to come. He isn’t, however, worth keeping over many other players on the Mets 40-man roster, and his talent could only be argued over a small few.
I'll admit that effectively trading Cerda for Zeile is not a move that I am in favor of. Cerda is a serviceable lefty; not overpowering to major league hitters, but fairly comparable to Mike Stanton, albeit at 1/10th the price and 10 years his younger. It should be noted that Cerda declined to play Winter Ball so that he could stay at home with his daughter, Veronica, who was born in October. Hardly dissention, though the Mets brass were none too pleased with it.


Mets Deal Cerda To Royals


Yesterday, the Mets traded lefty setup man Jaime Cerda to the Kansas City Royals for righty Shawn Sedlacek.
The move also frees up a spot on New York's 40-man roster for Todd Zeile, who is expected to sign this week, possibly as soon as Tuesday, after passing a team physical on Friday. Sedlacek will be a non-roster invitee and join the pitchers and catchers when they report for Spring Training on Feb. 20.
This is basically a non-move. Cerda had a modicum of success with the Mets, though he was actually very impressive against minor league hitters. In 210 minor league innings, Cerda posted a razor-thin 0.81 ERA, struck out 215 batters (9.21 K/9), and only walked 53 (2.27 BB/9). His big league numbers are much less impressive: 4.42 ERA with 40 K and 34 BB in 57 innings.

According to the article, Sedlacek was the Baseball America minor league pitcher of the year in 2000 for Kansas City. He's logged 707 minor league innings, putting up less-than-stellar numbers. His 4.40 ERA is just slightly better than Cerda's major league ERA. I wouldn't expect Sedlacek to make the club out of spring training, though he might end up at Norfolk to toil some more.



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